Rotten Rodent Thaksin's Brutal Strategies Revealed
( Last edit 2009-05-06 )
SPIEGEL's INTERVIEW WITH EXILED FORMER THAI LEADER THAKSIN April 20, 2009
'I'm Like a Rat' [ Yes, you really are a smelly rotten rat. ]
In a SPIEGEL interview, former Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, 59, discusses the uprising of his supporters against the government in Bangkok and the role the king should play in resolving the lasting conflict in the tumultuous southeast Asian nation.
SPIEGEL: Dr.Thaksin, the news emerged from Bangkok on Friday that Sonhi Limthongkul, the leader of the government loyal Yellow Shirts, barely survived an assassination attempt. He has always been one of your most dogged opponents.
[ SPIEGEL means you, Thaksin, How much did you pay for it? you Thaksin, the IDIOT ]
Thaksin: It was the government that declared a state of emergency. Even though there was an election, the government used its power in an even worse way than a putsch government. It controls every place, it can seize and search without any warrants, and they don't care about human rights. It's a government that has been given the license to kill. And I have the impression that the phase of "cut-off killings" has begun -- in other words, they are eliminating anyone who knows too much about the conspiracy of those in power against me. [Thaksin's proxy governments in 2008 under Samak and Somchai declared States of Emergency twice
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Somchai PM, the Prime Murderer : CLICK
to conspire to kill unarmed peaceful rallying PAD with red-shirts mobs and police teargas explosives. It was Thaksin regime who wants to kill all people, particularly PAD, who are enlightened and no longer comply with them. Lately, it was Thaksin who hired the assasins to kill Sondhi. It is not the violence by this current democratic and transparent government of PM Abhisit.]
SPIEGEL: Officially, two people died in the latest riots and 123 were injured. Do you dispute these figures?
Thaksin: It is an absolute lie [ which from now, I, Thaksin, is about to make up for you ...]
SPIEGEL: Do you have proof of that?
[ SPIEGEL means you, Thaksin, you are lying and I am calling you a bluff, you Thaksin, the IDIOT ]
Thaksin: [ Certainly. I have lied a lot. I am lying now. And I will be lying again. I am definitely the worst international habitual liar, the world has ever seen. ] After they said there were only two dead, we found two Red Shirts who had been tied with their hands behind their backs and were found in the Chao Praya River. We are still looking for others. [ Morgues, hospitals, cremation facilities we search everywhere except in Dubai. However, one of us, the one who we and him have not been so sure about his own gender, disappeared right from the stage. Jakrapop Penkae, the red core leader disappeared. Another one killed right here, was me, with Sep-Pu-Ku (Harakiri) words. It was Thaksin, me, I stabbed my own throat by myself. Watch my last scene alive. (CLICK) ]
SPIEGEL: The world is very alarmed by the developments in your country. What is the reason for the lasting crisis?
Thaksin: The political elite [ Who are "THEY" and why are "THEY so powerful, so much that the poor innocent decent Thaksin were ousted." ] are very worried because I and my associates have remained popular and powerful [financially] , as they were before. They would like to shift the power to the the other camp, the Democrats, but they cannot do it through democratic means. Now they are using all kinds of other means. They unsuccessfully tried to assassinate me. They also sparked protests, which were not successful -- but it was still enough for them to use it as an excuse to conduct the coup d'etat. [ It was the most peaceful coup and very welcome by Thais. ] After the coup, they politicized the justice system [ to undo what I did for my cronies' promotion in the police office ] and convicted me and my family. Then they created an illegal constitution. [ the best scapegoat for me ] Despite all that, [ my price was right and better, that's why ] the people still vote for my camp [ which I admit here, that both Samak and Somchai were my puppet PMs, through my money-backed electoral frauds ] . This really upsets Bangkok. That's why the latest uprising happened.
SPIEGEL: How can Thailand pull itself out of this plight?
Thaksin: As long as the power struggle [ of mine ] is not transparent and is not conducted by democratic means [ in other words, if I am not jailed on earth or in hell ] , everything will remain stuck. We will not be able to move [ my frozen billions USD worth of corrupted assets out of the legal freezer ]. The justice system has been used to shore up a double standard [ previously because of my bribery ] -- it is lenient to one side and brutal to the other [ Two deaths for peaceful PAD's yellow-shirts, ten limbs and a brain plus an eye blasted away by police's teargas explosives on October 7, 2008 and zero death to Thaksin's violent red-shirts so far]. Reconciliation is the only solution. [ And all the criminals, including Thaksin must be jailed ]
SPIEGEL: You have urged [ forced ] King Bhumibol to intervene and stop the crisis. Why hasn't he done anything yet?
Thaksin: I don't know. I cannot say anything about the royal monarchy.
SPIEGEL: But the word of the king is clearly decisive. [ SPIEGEL means you, Thaksin, you do not deserve a Royal pardon, you Thaksin, the IDIOT ]
Thaksin: I would say that he is the only person who can reconcile. I don't think other people can. I have been watching [ abusing and undermining ] my country from the outside for three years already. Nothing has improved. [ for me. I can no longer bribe justice system. I cannot get my military pal to stage coup. That's why, I have to pay red-shirts and puppet politicians to stage violent riots to force negotiation.]
SPIEGEL: Is Thailand's crisis also a crisis of the monarchy?
Thaksin: His majesty is 81 years old. We wish him a long life. And we also wish that he will continue to enjoy the respect of all Thais. [ Above the ground, I have to leave this dirty works of undermining the Monarchy to my communist accomplices, Jakrapop, the ambivalent, Giles Ung, the ambi-racial Sino-Brit, Suchart Nakbangsai, Da torpedo, the locked-jaw grunter. ] As a Thai, it is difficult for me to say more. Thais don't have much freedom of speech. [ Speech and media repression was absolutely true only during Thaksin's administration 2001 to 2006. The freedom of speech and the media has been very much improved after Thaksin left. ]
SPIEGEL: But you are sitting here in Dubai, not Thailand, and you are completely free to say whatever you want.
[ SPIEGEL means you, Thaksin, you are lying again, IDIOT ]
Thaksin: But I have to be very, very careful, as a Thai and a former prime minister. I really respect his majesty.
SPIEGEL: You were once considered to be a close confidant of the king.
[ SPIEGEL means you, Thaksin, Are you really that good?, you IDIOT Thaksin ]
Thaksin: Yes, but I have been hated by the people who surround him. The president of the Privy Council (eds: a panel of appointed advisors to the monarchy) and the former prime minister under the military junta tried to topple me through the coup d'etat.
SPIEGEL: And you now hold these men responsible for the current crisis?
[ SPIEGEL means you, Thaksin, you are lying again, you IDIOT Thaksin ]
Thaksin: My government was democratically elected and won by a landslide [ vote buying and electoral frauds ] . Now I am like a rat who stays in the house. They want to catch me so badly that they would dare to burn down the whole house to do so. [ Actually, I, Thaksin, am a bastard smelly rat, who is burning down the house to find my own way out. However, I am being choked up by my own lying words of rotten smell.] .
SPIEGEL: Your opponents claim that it was you who caused the latest conflagration by calling for the protests from abroad.
[ SPIEGEL means you, Thaksin, you are really a rotten rodent, you IDIOT Thaksin ]
Thaksin: I have to give the people moral [, financial, food, alcohol, and hatred instigation to ] support. But when we say that we want a revolution, we mean that we want it through peaceful means [ just amend the laws to white wash me and my cronies, and give me back the power and frozen assets ]. We in Thailand have long suffered under a democracy that is valid only for a few [ of my family who can afford to effectively bribe not the poor jerks]: the political elite in Bangkok.
SPIEGEL: In broad swaths of the population, you still enjoy great popularity. That means you also carry responsibility. Couldn't you be doing more to calm the current situation?
Thaksin: No way. [ So, These two sentences are the proof of I, Thaksin am the only decision-maker behind the red-shirts. ] The only choice is a broad reconciliation
[ To be precise, my assets have to be returned and my cronies have also to be laundered. On the surface,]. We use peaceful means. The violence in Thailand comes from [my hired private army of violent and armed red-shirts to overthrow the legitimate, ] the government-supported armed forces. These are people [ secretly hired by me. ] who mix in with the protesters, kill people [ two innocent civillian men at Nang Lerng ] and create chaos.
SPIEGEL: What are you personally planning to do now?
[ SPIEGEL means you, Thaksin, having committed Harakiri, where are you hiding your rotten smelly body, you Thaksin, the IDIOT ]
Thaksin: I travel a lot and I don't normally stay in a place for longer than two weeks. I have business to take care of [ That is my actual safety priority, to keep running away as an international fugitive hiding from the interpol.] . The Red Shirt Committees work independently and make their own decisions. [ I have paid them for all the expenses why should I have to stay back to cover their asses, especially when they fail to get what I want.] . Sometimes they call me for advice [ it is always only when they are short and most of the time it is about cash ], but they don't have to believe in me [ They just have to believe in cash. However,]. I don't [ just only ] support them financially because my assets in Thailand have been frozen and I don't have much money [ Therefore, I have to help provoking them to fight to some Thai's deaths and over any Thais' dead bodies to substantiate the claims of my frozen money. ].
SPIEGEL: The government has stripped you of your passport -- how do you travel now?
[ SPIEGEL means you, Where the hell in the world would you be able to go, you fugitive Thaksin, the IDIOT ]
Thaksin: I have [ purchased on-sale ] passports from other countries. [ Crook ] Friends and [ corrupt ] leaders from many [ undemocratic and under developed ] countries have offered me honorary [ criminals fugitive ] citizenship, a passport or travel documents. Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega is strongly behind me [ whereas Nicaraguans are condemning Ortega about this ] and his country has given me a diplomatic passport [ at a competitive price ].
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SPIEGEL: How can lasting peace be achieved in Thailand?
[ SPIEGEL means you, Thaksin, When are you going to either jail or hell?, you Thaksin, the IDIOT ]
Thaksin: Both sides have committed wrong doings [ Thaksin and his cronies, are the worst ]. It's time to reconcile by forgiving each other, forgetting the past [ all crimes of mine ] and looking forward [ to my future crimes, you just wait for those ] . We should become one nation and one people [ under my authoritarian feet ]. But I will not recognize the current prime minister and the other side will not accept me. [ With my violent red-shirts army, and Thailand as a hostage, ] The king must help. He must draw up a democratic constitution [ leaving me and my cronies clean ] and then we need new elections. [ in which I must be able to commit electoral frauds with my wealth again. ]
Interview conducted by Bernhard Zand of Spiegel.
The navy and red phrases are comments for factual understanding by www.antithaksin.com
SPIEGEL's A DIVIDED NATION April 20, 2009
'In Thailand, the Law of the Jungle Prevails'
At first, Yes, under the dark red force of Thaksin. Then, The Light of Wisdom and Peace take Over
In a SPIEGEL interview, Sukhumbhand Paribatra, the governor of Bangkok and a cousin of the king, condemns former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra and criticizes the Thai Army. He says he is deeply concerned about the state of Thailand and the future of the monarchy.
SPIEGEL: Thailand doesn't seem to be able to return to normal, as the latest uprising in Bangkok proves. The riots we saw last week were the worst ones witnessed in years.
Sukhumbhand: In terms of how widespread it was geographically, it was the worst the city has ever experienced. During the unrest of 1973, 1976 and 1992, there were more deaths …
SPIEGEL: … but in 1973 and 1976 we were primarily dealing with student protests.
Sukhumbhand: This time there was senseless violence in many parts of the city. People set fires and attacked each other.
SPIEGEL: Everything began the weekend before last (April 9 to 14, 2009), when the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship -- as the supporters of deposed ex-Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra call themselves -- succeeded in halting the Asia summit in the coastal resort of Pattaya(April 11, 2009). Doesn't that indicate a total failure of your military and police forces?
Sukhumbhand: We have to admit that. The conference hotel is located on a hill and only three narrow roads lead to it. They should never have permitted this venue to be stormed. The police leadership downright refused to intervene and the armed forces only came to help at the last minute. By then Prime Minister Abhisit was trapped.
SPIEGEL: His car was attacked and his driver was hit. In other countries, bodyguards would have reached for their weapons. Why didn't they in Thailand?
Sukhumbhand: The instructions were not there to shoot. There was a vacuum, which allowed the protesters to do what we saw.
SPIEGEL: Earlier, Thailand was considered the epitome of a Buddhist tropical paradise. But today the country is mentioned in the same breath as civil war and chaos. How do you explain the polarization of your society?
Sukhumbhand: There has always been a division between the rich and the poor in Thai society, and there always was an extreme gap between the urban and the rural masses. But that has always been kept under control by an unstated consensus on the part of all political leaders that certain things should not be touched. There was a consensus that political leaders may quarrel among themselves, but they may not take their quarrel to the extent that it would have any impact on the monarchy or to the extent that it would aggravate these fractions in society.
SPIEGEL: But Thaksin suddenly did not play to the rules of the old political elites.
Sukhumbhand: What happened during the Thaksin period was that he didn't play according to that rule anymore. In fact, he tried to impose his own rules. That might have been for good reasons, I don't doubt that. But there was a rule that there are certain things that you don't do. It might partially be due to his personality and partially due to the extent of his three election victories. The consensus in our society broke down and there is no mechanism to put it back in place right now. This is also because the king is no longer as active as he was before.
SPIEGEL: The Red Shirts complain that there is no democracy and no justice in Thailand because their leaders have been arrested, but the Yellow Shirt leaders who blockaded Bangkok's international airport last year go free.
Sukhumbhand: The facts are obvious. There has always been injustice in Thai society. But under Thaksin, was there justice? This is one of the problems in Thailand -- there has been always the law of the jungle. Between 2002 and 2005, when Thaksin ruled, thousands of alleged drug traffickers and terrorists were killed. I don't say that Thaksin ordered that killings. But thousands were murdered. They disappeared and the media was silenced. What is better, that people who blocked an airport are not punished or that innocent people are murdered? I cannot condone any act of injustice. The sad truth is that in Thailand the law of the jungle prevails. It's also a fact that Thaksin's followers are no angels, and we Democrats aren't either.
SPIEGEL: In retrospect, was the military putsch that toppled Thaksin on Sept. 19, 2006 a failure?
Sukhumbhand: I don't condone military coups, and I was not in favor of that coup, either. But if the coup leader felt there has to be a coup, they should have carried it to its logical conclusion.
SPIEGEL: What do you mean?
Sukhumbhand: They weren't forceful enough. Ironically, first the coup leaders broke the most important law of the land, the constitution, and then they didn't dare to break the little laws. If the generals had smashed Thaksin's network right at the beginning, and if they would have confiscated his properties straightaway, we wouldn't be confronted with the chaos that we have today.
SPIEGEL: Why did the generals mess it up?
Sukhumbhand: Stupid, they are stupid. Thaksin's popularity was on the way down, anyway.
SPIEGEL: Thaksin's passport was only recently revoked. What would his supporters do if he were extradited to Bangkok to stand trial for corruption and inciting the uprising?
Sukhumbhand: They would go completely berserk.
SPIEGEL: Wouldn't new elections be the best solution for restoring peace?
Sukhumbhand: No. The outcome would be the same as before. We will be confronted with equally large blocs opposing each other. I think it will be better if the government stays in power to the end of this term. Then the voters should decide, but not on the streets. But no one has any magical solutions right now.
SPIEGEL: In times of crisis, His Majesty, the King of Thailand, has often spoken out as the moral authority of your country. Does that not indicate that Thailand's politicians are too immature to lead the country on their own?
Sukhumbhand: Actually, the king has not come out so often. He has only intervened in a few cases. But when he did, it was always important. But, clearly, we political leaders have proven to be immature in solving differences among ourselves. So the king is needed. But the fact that the king is there to help out in times of trouble allows us to be immature.
SPIEGEL: At some point, the king will no longer be there. Will Thailand then slip into chaos when he dies? Are you afraid of that?
Sukhumbhand: Of course I am afraid. I was not afraid before. But now, after a few years of political polarization, I think that this political polarization will become even more violent.
SPIEGEL: The king is 81 now. Normally, on his birthday he reads a speech to the nation each year. But last year was the first time he didn't read it himself. That might indicate that he is ill. Is there reason to worry and are you afraid?
Sukhumbhand: Everybody worries about the king. Even if he goes for a checkup, people panic. Yes, of course we are worried.
SPIEGEL: Is he seriously ill?
Sukhumbhand: Let me formulate it this way: He's not doing as well as he was 10 years ago.
SPIEGEL: Then isn't it time for him to reproach Thaksin before it's too late?
Sukhumbhand: The king has never failed, so his success has built up a myth around him that he could never do anything wrong. But it's not even certain that Thaksin would listen to him. If he didn't, then what? That's why he has to think very carefully about when and what he says.
SPIEGEL: Some say that the whole root cause of the problems in Thailand is based on the fact that Thaksin wants to become president and that he plans to get rid of the monarchy. How do you comment on that?
Sukhumbhand: I do not listen to things like that.
SPIEGEL: You are a cousin of the king. So you know the royal court's rules very well. How is the successor to the king actually selected?
Sukhumbhand: There are generally two possibilities. The king can pick his own successor ...
SPIEGEL: ... which King Bhumibol Adulyadej has not done yet ...
Sukhumbhand: As far as we know. If that hasn't happened, then a successor must be found according to the palace law of 1926. But that is subject to approval by the parliament.
SPIEGEL: So his son, Crown Prince Maha Vajiralongkorn, or one of his daughters would become the successor?
Sukhumbhand: No, the palace law doesn't permit a female successor to the throne.
SPIEGEL: So the only choice would be Crown Prince Maha Vajiralongkorn?
Sukhumbhand: That we know of, yes.
ABOUT SUKHUMBHAND PARIBATRA
Sukhumbhand Paribatra, 56, is a cousin (MR) of Thailand's King Bumibol Adulyadej and the elected governor of Bangkok from January 2009. He studied in Oxford and is a member of the Democratic Party of Thailand. He became Bangkok MP in the Democratic Party for several terms and used to serve in Foreign Minister Position. During 2008, he was a shadow Minister of Foreign Affair while the Democrat was an opposition party.
Interview conducted by SPIEGEL Asia correspondent Jürgen Kremb.